Russia Sanctions

Same topic, different views

By Tim Baldwin

President Barack Obama ordered sanctions against Russia for its alleged hacking into political information concerning Hillary Clinton

That Obama sanctioned Russia appears to send a message to the world that it cannot mess with America’s elections, but also appears to undermine Donald Trump’s presidency, as if it started by Russia’s help. Trump said there are “bigger and better” things to address. Surely Russia can’t take the sanctions too seriously.

Once again, there is an elephant in the room that some are ignoring. What about the truth of the leaked information about Clinton? Despite Trump’s popularity, he was also one of the most nauseating candidates in decades. Still, Clinton’s candidacy was so repulsive that Trump beat her handily.

While America must not tolerate foreign influence in our elections (or in any other aspect of our political process – cough, cough), it must not tolerate corrupt politicians. Maybe the DNC (and RNC) has learned a big lesson: nominate candidates who are more above reproach than Clinton.

Corruption can normally go with long-term politicians. We’ve learned this, which is why we limit the presidency term. It’s time to limit Congress’ term. Trump promotes amending the Constitution to impose congressional term limits. If Trump does nothing else but this, it will be somewhat successful.


By Joe Carbonari

Russia hacks. We hack. So does China, Iran, Korea and more. Russia meddles in others’ elections. We meddle in others’ elections. What’s new is the level of hacking and meddling against us that’s now taking place.

On the margin, these activities can make a difference. Taken together, did they make enough difference to tip the election to Trump? Hard to say.

What can be said is that our elections are vulnerable to an unacceptable degree. If we cannot trust the legitimacy of our elections, and their results, our democratic system will not work.

Our freedoms are predicated on voluntary cooperation, participation, and restraint. It is Russia’s aim to destroy trust in democracy, both here and in Europe, and thus weaken the western alliance.

Open societies are vulnerable to a degree Russia’s is not. This does not favor us, and on the level it has now reached, it is not an acceptable game to play.

President Barack Obama’s recent retaliation, as now known, is unlikely to be effective. It appears tepid and reflexive.

Let’s hope that Putin overplays his newly found “good-guy” role and that Donald Trump is as good as he boasts. In playing up to one another Putin and Trump can actually improve relations and advance world peace, or one may trap the other. It’s a serious game we play. Our new president will need our support, and perhaps our guidance.

  • Perrico de los Palotes

    How about sanctions against Israel!

    • Rhett the Butler

      I prefer sanctions on the NPI.

      • Snowbird

        Agreed

  • Rhett the Butler

    The US is the only major country that does not directly elect its nation’s leader. It’s time for the Electoral College to be eliminated. No, this is not a new idea.

    • Snowbird

      Then capaigns would only be run in California and New York and only pander to issues those states care about. Also not a good idea

      • Rhett the Butler

        That’s moronic. Look at where candidates go in Mexico and Britain, France etc. They’re are out in smaller towns to campaign. No arenas and airport hangers.

        • Snowbird

          Not true, they would concentrate in population centers and ignore the rest of the country. That is a fact

          • Rhett the Butler

            No, it’s not a fact. It’s just your opinion in opposition to mine.

          • Snowbird

            Then we will agree to disagree I suppose

          • Christopher Cunningham

            Long ago, perhaps, but through the mass media a candidate can reach out to tens of millions of people across vast swaths of land without having to be on-site at each household or community in person to have their voices heard.

            It’s hard for me to grasp why it’s important for a candidate to show up in front of crowds. Presidential contenders could just loaf about their homes doing nothing and I’d still figure out who to support in no time at all. So much of campaigning is superficial.

          • Snowbird

            It gets the locals enthused for one, and if they had to campaign everywhere like the way they do now, more issues are addressed. Part of the reason hilldebeast lost is she spent no time in Wisconsin, little in michigan and a whole lot of time in the land of nuts fruits and flakes, Cali, which was already in her column

          • Christopher Cunningham

            I suppose… though the very fact that many voters will abstain from carrying out their civic duties unless mobilized says something bad about U.S. political culture, as does the tendency for presidential contenders to stand up in front of crowds and say whatever folks want to hear.

          • Snowbird

            No argumenmt there, totally agree

          • Richard Jones

            You are such an a$$hole.

          • Snowbird

            You are obviously an expert on that, being the king of that orifice

          • Richard Jones

            That was almost clever, but instead it just came across as you being an a$$hole, again.

      • Christopher Cunningham

        Republican candidates for president could expect to receive several million votes from California and New York even if they never set foot there during their campaigns. The real rift in the U.S. these days isn’t between the small and large states, rather between metro and rural areas.

        This prism map I found for the 2016 presidential election results illustrates the point – showing county results and their relative populations.

        http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-map-3d-by-county.png?resize=570%2C353

        I bet if presidential candidates campaigned from their homes instead of touring the country for speaking events the results would turn out to be similar to what we see here. Most voters are either in or lean towards one camp over the other regardless of whether the candidates make personal appearances in their home states, ya?

      • Richard Jones

        Instead they are only run in Iowa and Ohio, also not a good idea.

        Technically speaking the state that most represents the US in terms of demographics is Illinois, yet you don’t exactly hear a lot of campaigning going on there do you?

    • Perrico de los Palotes

      Sniveler.

  • geraldcuvillier

    I agree with the part about term limits for Congress. As for meddling in elections, who designated Jimmy Carter to oversee everyone’s elections? Obama tried every dirty trick to overthrow Netenyahoo’s re-election. There goes Rhett again trying to overthrow our own county. He thinks the Constitution is outdated. Go back to Cuba Rhett so you can live in misery with the rest of the communist. We love our freedom.

    • Rhett the Butler

      Jimmy Carter doesn’t oversee everyone’s elections.

      Obama didn’t foment distrust over the internet like Putin’s people did.

      Learn how to spell Netanyahu.

      I’m not trying to overthrow Sanders County.

      It is outdated and so are you.

      Why would I go back to Cuba? I was born here.

      You’re gonna love your freedom right into a repressive regime overseen by Pootie Poot.

  • disqus_123ragnorok

    Although I havent seen the evidence that links Russia to the hacked emails from the D.N.C., and others, I have some doubts about the accuracy of these claims.
    Trump is reviled by the elitist establishment, and linking Russia,( and somehow,Trump), to the hacks might be an attempt to discredit him.
    Whatever the source, it exposed both disdain for the American electorate and a level of corruption that many suspected.

  • geraldcuvillier

    You need to go back to Cuba because that is where your communist heroes govern. If Putin is corrupt he only looks like an amateur next to Obama. The Constitution is NOT out dated, it is even more relevant today than it was in the beginning. With the new administration coming in I see more regained freedoms for everyone, even you.

  • geraldcuvillier

    I am well known for standing up for our country, you are well known for degrading our country and trying to destroy it.

    • Rhett the Butler

      Wrong again.

    • Richard Jones

      You are well known for bending over and taking it in the..

  • geraldcuvillier

    The standard Clinton answer, deny, deny, deny and the lie, lie lie.

  • Rhett the Butler